"This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. It is the best RR in the world ! Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054 Like when something breaks that is no longer in production like your favorite mug or something. The advance search option should obviously only be available for paid models so to avoid people only free loading and just finding all the free models. Thanks once again! Plus, if you express constructive ideas on the forums, you know you'll get listened to. Fact is, the best is where is can make the most sales. @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? Your account is not in CGtrader and I can't see your models, and judging by the link in your comment you are just a spammer. Exclusivity to any marketplace has been proved a revenue loss. What that means is that customers have the illusion of it being the best site out there even if the quality of the products is way below CGTrader. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. I'm glad CGtrader and its community of supporters is able to make this situation come to an end. I have always been amazed at how TS can pull off their selling stunt, I've got better stuff AND cheaper on here than on TS but the sales over there totally dominate. Show more, By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, max, fbx, blend, uasset, tbscene and more, obj, fbx, unitypackage, prefab, mat and more. I have no problem with a site offering an option for seller/buyer to find quality print-ready products. Reputation for promptly fixing problems? For myself, long live CGTrader and may they keep their principles as they grow. And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. Renderer: Cyclse. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment We want to improve the site not make it worse :). If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. There is other sellers that don't have any problem doing the same: personally CGTrader is the second site where I realize more sales, I think we should avoid generalizing his own experience. In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. For example, I ran into this this morning. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. Honestly, who wants to buy nudes anyway? Fantasy is a bit better, but sic-fi gets me 10 copyright infringements on the first page alone (star wars characters, mainly). Let's give some time to time. Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. What? I tried to contact the buyer several times with no response. And reasons can be any. clients will come where is a big diversificated data base of quality models (not only printable models) and artists will come where paying clients are. CGTrader vs Turbosquid | CGTrader I have it is about 5%. - Once in a while, alert all designers that a cleaning operation will be made, and wipe out objects that are of a too bad quality or copyright infringements. They also have multiple sellers selling the same products so that it is easier for people to avoid people paying for shipping in their country. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. New content is not provided to the on "Turbo" site. I wouldn't ever use their site just on principle. I think posting links to showcase your model in an animation or to show how a rig works is extremely advantageous. In this case the fastest support can not help. f9acb067-ba84-4d38-8a65-8d3c4249a700Zoom.jpg httpswww.turbosquid.com3d-modelsfemale-rigged-3d-model1041167 --GENERAL-- This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. It would be great to have more of your feedback so we could make it better for buyers. I do not know if micro-managing brand or front-page appeal helps drive sales more effectively on other sites than on CGTrader. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. ", Exactly, no one knows the model better than the one who made this model. Downside at CGTrader is as i've just been informed from Support is NO you can't sell the licence here and transfer it into another users name. or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . It also seems to me like CG trader is looking out a lot more for the artists. Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. Do not forget to check out rigged vehicles, guns and other objects, including environments, in addition to rigged characters to increase the control and interactivity you can achieve in your project. Maybe they would understand that sellers can't be treated as slaves. - An improvement in search results based on manual rating from sellers and/or CGtrader staff. Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). . They just took multiple of my most expensive items and run for it. Large studios with "turbosquid" collaborate very limitedly. [13google->http://www.google.com/] If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. BUT this is still not as infuriating as a personal account falling once a month with all the statistics! If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. A client would normally ALWAYS choose a cheaper price, that's a law of nature. In fact, any properly textured model over 5000 polys for less than 15 bucks is NOT okay, and does NOT look professional at all. So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Rigged 3D models are available in Autodesk 3ds Max (.max), Maya (.ma), Softimage (.xsi), Cinema 4D (.c4d) and many other file formats. But hey thats your call, That's sad, but true. although, the 3d printing industry is growing rapidly :D. I have to agree. @Supercigale, this is worrying to read, i think such things shouldn't happen. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. Answer: IN my opinion Turbosquid is a great site for selling models. Turbosquid.com4. Build your own Brand with your own criteria and goals. I had hoped that CGTrader would want to be the kings but i have to be honest if you licence a thing only here you have to own it forever, as you cannot sell that licence. Im convinced now that when I would reactivate my Ts account I will just have a bit less sales here and get some sales over there, could be wrong but I don't care, 60% cut is ridicules and on top of that price guarantee is just total madness. To me this was a sign that people know about CGt and that users have at least two accounts. But I will look there only because I know what is cgtrader and how it works. Some points for and against. disavantages: low budget clients willing to get low quality models for 5$. I ran my test with "characters" and displayed 128 models on one page. Over the years they have shown me that they really care about we think about the way things should be run and they have been adapting the website based on our combined ideas. Thanks for sharing Your experience and thoughts. Be very wary when the artist is from India or other similar countries. Animated and Rigged 3D Finger Models | TurboSquid Yes. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment Next we would have the sales/customers feedback factor coming in to sort out the stores ranking. Often offer to buy the models in 1020 times more expensive than the price at which the model was exhibited for sale. captainmarlowe is right. We state our opinions based on verifiable facts and stats, which is one of the most interesting parts of this thread. Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. I am huge fan of the CGT team because they really try hard to make us happy. "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. CGt embraces all modern communication technologies which is critical to establish such a place. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) This used to be the case in TS as well, but the issue is being solved, this will have to happen here on CGTrader as well. I hope to find same courage someday ;-) If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. patna Escorts Service After 60 days, we will put your content back online. Both are still growing, but it seems CGtrader is growing much more. TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. Change Method. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. To my amazement something ells also happened, there where still a few people buying my more expensive models on Ts. The rumour that they can "borrow" models for check-out before buy to particularly trustworthy clients could also be true. Yes CGtrader is great! TurboSquid has stopped working in WM and lost some buyers in the middle East countries and Asia. We are looking for contributors. The last handful of successful high end 3D studios still buy those models because they know that the scenes have to be clean, geometry has no odd manifold or abnormal issues and the modelers have to jump through all kinds of hoops to ensure the quality of the model including providing high quality 360 renders. Maybe the home page should be a very simple page with only two huge buttons [CG models] and [3D Printing]. Rank improvement compared to previous 3 months: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com +5,816, http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/turbosquid.com +1,026. I'm done with them. Founded in 2000, Turbosquid has championed growth in the 3D space through partnerships with leaders in the industry. If I am searching for a 3D model, I am not interested in 3D printing services, and vice versa. The problem is that the site is not able to get a clear separation between CG and 3D printing. In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. I wont be using TurboSquid due to their royalty system and the fact that I would have to hunt down non-existing forms to prove I am not an American resident and thus avoid paying 30% govt. From point of buyer who wants to buy a classic 3D model (cg) there is no way I will start searching on cgtrader. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. I tested the CGTrader rigged character morphs for Daz3D studio from your commission and it works like a charm! We even stopped publishing new models there. @IterateCGI These are great ideas and in fact we are currently working on one campaign that will involve the community to help market CGTrader better. That's why I won't model one single model for online sale until this heinous situation is rectified. I have been very active on a forum of a different 3D model store, but the guys running it seemed to be ignorant about the issue. I like the deposit proposal of flat_3d, but jet again it probably best be part of a repertoire of marketing tools the designer could choose from, not a global policy. When pressed, Turbosquid could give no clearer specification than "it is too similar". when cgtrader change his frontpage i stop selling products bad :(. It is pretty awesome!!! You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. However, the behavior of these clients kept me thinking and I had some dilemmas about what was actually going on here. I agree with the last post, searching for models should not be a pain. A possible solution for potential buyers looking to sample the work of sellers, would be for sellers to have their free sample models at a low minimal price instead of free. When I asked why they don' want pay for that they have suspended my products ( 428) products they did not say anything after. I hope it goes well for cgtrader i really like this page :-). In my opinion, the worst Turbosquid is doing is minimizing the role and presence of the real content creators, being just a middleman reseller but trying to control all aspects of the product in a way that in the end the customer perceives it more like a "Turbosquid product" than a "Content-creator-X product". CGTrader is bather as a platform and like I wrote above if we help in couple of months will overcome TS on search engines, which will also increase our sales. That is a big killer for licencing anything here that you intend to sell the licence for, leaving me with having to licence at Thingiverse first then using CGTrader as advertising or selling copies of the files only. This is from my own personal experience. And saying only nice words won't help them much. flob3d: I don't know if Jonathan invented the CheckMate, but what I can say is that Jonathan is a good professional and he often helped me a lot, so I have no complaints to make. The title says it all!1. 4. No matter what the Wisdoms offer you now, they will make you pay x10 later once they are done with their competitors (again). These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. Sure you get a lot more income from The3Dstudio. My opinions have evoluted over the months. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. I think CG Trader should remain working with printing, however, it's main concern should be CG :D, I would opt for a system that integrates different stores each with its own label/trademark placed under one common trademark (for sake of organization and readability), CGtraders main trademark would then function as a placeholder/main hub for many different sub stores. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. I think I do a decent job at earning my keep.. And yes, it this is like if shapeways started doing cg. Maybe CG Trader should consider a large add-on to the site, where the customers can click a link, and go to a whole new site (owned by cg trader) that does sells strictly 3d printable models :) Just an idea :). High hopes for Cgtrader. Regards, Payout fees are just fractions of percent, not worth to consider. This would be a really good way of encouraging buyers to come spend their money on CGtrader where they can find what they want faster than on other sites. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. found jet another working example that makes CGt stand out. NoneCg I've read almost all your information regarding the public issues. It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. As long as CGtrader and Marius keep leading the inclusive marketplaces with respect for the Artists and their own branding, we at NoneCG will continue to support CGtrader and Marius indefinitely, no extra shiny coins needed for us. They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. My price at the time was same both on Ts as on CGt but after some time position on CGt got better and sales was picking up. I like this site more, because, firstly, it has a much more pleasant and understandable interface, gives a higher percentage of the sale (on a TS, it looks more like a tip if you are not a member of their club), and generally it works more stable. Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects It is also my favorite 3D site but some things need to be fixed before they can overtake some of the other sites. https://www.fiverr.com/pixel512/create-a-3d-model-shipping-container Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. Site issues? When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. with the recent requirements to upload a 3D product on TS, CGT became my number one no doubt, i'm not gonna wast half my life rendering turntables that wouldn't make much of a difference when every seller is doing the same thing. Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. Rigged Female 3D Models | CGTrader Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. In order to post an answer, you need to sign in. This would have probably be true for newcomers 5 years ago, but now that is different. I do agree with you regarding the search engine. Brittney I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. Beautifully put IterateCGI, let's hope it is signal for more than just Tubro's downfall, but hopefully the downfall of treating 3D creators like shit. We finally have some real genuine completion for the best sales platform. The clients like to waste money for a more expensive model at TSquid, perhaps knowing that the artist will get shafted with a measly 40% return, and that's that. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. Most of the Ts artists also moved their work over here and almost everyone knows that, just not the ones hoe are exclusive, it's not going to take too long now before they systematically start breaking the exclusive contract when they see sales going down every month and things going up over here. Even when Ts would sell more models it does not mean they serve you well, because it is not. Thingiverse remains the king for licensing, as you can transfer the licence within the site. To bad this place is ridiculously expensive, you only get 33% of your sales. They often would ask me to just send them a model through email and pay me through paypal like in the old days. So many more buyers would actually have a look at what they have because sometimes you want to buy a special toy After that response I selected all my models and took them offline. CG Trader is easier to navigate, more stimulating perhaps than turbo squid. And CG Trader offers up to 94% royalty rate, where as Turbo Squid gives I believe 60% royalty rate CG Trader more open than Turbo Squid, and when registering, requires less personal information. TurboSquid be avoided guys! cgtrader is far better than turbosquid in my opinion coz cgtrader offer 80% royalti payment and turbo only give you 40% royalti payment which is sad. Everything we do is going on between people, we are all in this together, none of us is separate now matter how hard we would like to think so. TS removes this rating. I agree structural arrangements need to be done to support this bud it needs to be done in a way so it supports the main axiom of openness. Hello. just share your links (: I like both but prefer cgtrader all day. They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! This conversation has me glued to my monitor, all very well spoken and nailed down to the core. In fact, I had taken deliberate steps to ensure that I included no content in my designs that could even be construed as overlap. You can download any 3d model in all popular 3d formats including MAX, OBJ, FBX, 3DS, STL, C4D, BLEND, MAYA and other. Prices are only guaranteed at the time of the creation of this document. TS is simply in decline getting worse and worse. Recently I've been trying to contact my old clients and buyers and although they still have an interest in my models they don't quite trust CGT with their money. CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. I tried to edit the obj for him and renounced because of the bad quality, especially, UVs and material names that were impossible to edit, such as mat000_0571 and other flaws ; he also bought a model of a bad quality from TS but was offered a refund immediately even on a sunday ; he posted his experience on our forum ; needless to say that others members of this community won't consider, now, CGTrader as a top quality website), same with people starting everyday a new irrelevant thread on the forums just to take advantage of the reputation system, which was a good idea, but which was hijacked by some unscrupulous sellers. i think cgtrader can grow stronger with higher quality traffic. My current store on CGTrader includes numerous items that were deemed to be infringing upon GW IP (link below). Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). stores with its own labels for 3D printing, 3D stock, crowdfunding, game models maybe even concept designs, sound files, storytellers, code for making apps, 3D scripts, etc) Each of this stores would then again have subcategories (e.g. 60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. On Ts we get served for extreme large cost and rather badly frankly said. I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. This is critical information (to me at least) in regard to evolution and overall development of the products and services you want to deliver. Very soon there will be robots that can scan objects faster than any modeler can model them and then reproduce a print almost instantly in 10 to 30 years 3D jobs will be irrelevant but until then someone needs to really bring CGtrader to the big markets. You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. That is where the true value of 3D is today but unless someone can show the masses that this kind of thing can be done at a reasonable price ,(based on market value), then 3D will continue to be a half dead market until it will die completely because robotics have reached an advanced stage where they will soon be able to replace artists. Cgtrader have more favorable royalty rates, compared to TurboSquid. Order 3D models. On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. Been over 17 years with TS. I make very nice sale here, and several each month, not as much as TurboSquid, but with 85% royalties I'm not complaining. Cgtrader better sell my shoes here than ts.plus webmoney plus royalty rate. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. Payment Method You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Thank you. Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? So true! The art is to do it structurally organized and easily navigable and then it is a matter of giving the people the right tools and they will do the rest issue I think. Hi adentonclark, Check my store https://apkvisa.com/dungeon-quest-mod-apk/, Very motivating and supportive too.Hope you keep on sharing a greater amount of your ideas.